A Word from the Wise to whom it may concern.
Without prejudice
“The stupid neither forgive nor forget; the naïve forgive and forget; the wise forgive but do not forget.”
Now because I am a reasonable person I shall give you an opportunity to ponder on the above.
Now also because I am a reasonable and tolerant person, I will also apologise for my describing your behaviour as cyber-stalking. No, it is not that and I doubt you would actually resort to such behaviour but who knows? It could certainly be described as cyber-bullying and harassment, the purpose of which seems to be to intimidate or embarrass me into silence. It hasn’t worked.
Furthermore, because I am both reasonable, tolerant and possess apparently rather higher moral standards, I find it unnecessary to stoop to your level and threaten you with revealing your personal details, or spreading malicious lies about you on the internet. Now my suggestion is that this should stop. One cannot of course prevent your silly speculation on your own site, but could one suggest you keep it to yourselves? I have suggested this course of action many times over the past year, but to no avail. Maybe you should think about this seriously and no more need be said on the matter.
I’m guessing that this relates to last night’s piranha party on MyT (I know, just call me Miss Marple) but I still don’t really understand what has been going on and how it relates to Northampton. No doubt John Mackie would tell me the answer is 42, but I shall revert to my default position and blame Margaret Thatcher. Most things are her fault.
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Hi Isobel, aka Miss Marple: yes it does relate to the “piranha party”.
Northampton is a bit of a red herring, and not strictly relevant here, although it is a roughly the same sort of situation. S has been the subject of attentions and harassment of a similar nature.
I am hoping that there will be no necessity to provide further enlightenment with regard to the whole idiotic débâcle, but we shall see.
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It would appear that the message has been received but has obviously not been understood.
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Bubbles
Mice also leave a little trail of urine that can be used to find their homes, if you have the right equipment.
jack tar
March 16, 2010
08:09 PM GMT
Ok, I think in the light of this little gem, it is eminently reasonable to retract my apology with regard to cyber-stalking.
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Minty MBE,
Nothing to worry about there then Ms Bubbles doesn’t have enough inteligence to use anything which might come under the lofty technical term of ‘equipment’.
Small wonder she lives alone.
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Hi Furry: Yes, I agree, but it looks from recent events as though the little darlings are now targeting some one else.
When this sort of thing happens you have to wonder what sort of miserable lives these people lead.
They do seem to confuse blogging and real-life, and what extraordinary lengths to go to, just because they don’t like other people’s opinions. Nasty.
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Have some of the comments been withdrawn Araminta? I am (again) having trouble following. Miss Marple title may have to be handed back…
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For clarification; is this a reference to Shanghai’s disclose of my name? I ask since you seem to have passed it by without a word.
I have never allowed this to happen to anyone else without strongly condemning it.
I wonder why you seem so sympathetic to this person.
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No, Stripey; it is to do with TTM’s comments on Levent’s post.
Do you mean that Shanghai disclosed your real name, or your former name on MyT? I have not seen any instances of the former.
My comment of 14th March regarding S, was to do with the going harassment by MIAB or whatever he is calling himself at the moment.
Regarding your last sentence, I could ask you the same question with regard to Bubbles and Jack Tar.
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Yes, Araminta, in the Northampton blog. I can’t believe you didn’t see it. From memory, you made comments in the same thread on other matters after he posted it. Claire said it made her feel sick.
I wrote that I felt all my personal details were compromised. If he can discover my name, then what else does he have access to?
I have reported this to several locations including the Metropolitan Police, my bank and Amex so that if anything happens to my accounts, cards, voting details or whatever, he will be first in the frame. Because he’s not going away and MyT do nothing.
I think what Shanghai did to me is several orders of magnitude worse that what Jack and Bubbles do to you.
Frankly, after watching the way you needle Bubbles, I think you have no grounds for complaint when she has a pop back.
But to disclose my real name is as good as disclosing my address.
That’s why I wondered that you didn’t condemn Shanghai instead of having kind words for him after the event.
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Just came back again as this was bothering me, and think I understand. Probably empty threats but vicious and intended to intimidate so therefore cyberbullying. Again.
OSO, everyone knows who you are, or were, MyT namewise. The mods on MyT can’t be so dozy not to realise. I think I once called you Badger there after your name change not realising that you were in disguise.
By the way the little green and brown mosaic of the Thames I did at Christmas has been sold. Apologies Araminta, but I do not frequent MyT much these days, so haven’t seen OSO for a while.
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Stripey: I have to go out, but will return later to reply, but no, I did not see it. I have never witnessed any use of your real name on MyT.
Hi Isobel aka Miss Marple back later!
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Oh I know all that Isobel , I’m not worried about being called Badger, I never have been. Of course it’s obvious who I am. My beef is with people who are a) discourteous by not using one’s chosen name, b) those who complain to the censors about who I am (it has happened several times) and c) the fact that it goads the censors to delete me and comments. When it doesn’t happen the censors leave me alone.
No, Shanghai disclosed the name on my birth certificate. Which is a very serious thing. You didn’t read my 3.05 properly.
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Apologies OSO.
Maybe you should decamp to DNMT instead…
Off to work now. Have a lovely evening.
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Stripey: I agree with you as below:
“My beef is with people who are a) discourteous by not using one’s chosen name, ”
Yes: could not agree more. Happens to me! But let’s face it, those who choose to not observe these basic courtesies probably don’t know any better. Ill-bred, possibly?
“No, Shanghai disclosed the name on my birth certificate. Which is a very serious thing. ”
Some people actually choose to blog using their real name, Christina Osborne, Maggie Millington to name but two. Have they had a problem with bank accounts etc. I don’t know, but I rather doubt it. I choose not to do and so do you. So, our choice should be respected.
This is where we differ, Stripey:
“Frankly, after watching the way you needle Bubbles, I think you have no grounds for complaint when she has a pop back.”
Now have you actually read this post? Do you not see that it is fundamentally not that different? But yes, I suppose it’s always OK when it happening to someone else.
More later.
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Stripey: or, see what Christina has to say on the matter:
http://bearsy.wordpress.com/2010/03/15/what-is-society/
She seems to think it is all total hysteria. I would genuinely be interested in your viewpoint.
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You miss the point Araminta.
Which was not that Shanghai disclosed my name but that he was able to defeat the security in place to prevent him obtaining it.
I repeat, ‘If he can discover my name, then what else does he have access to?’
I don’t want to discuss your relationship with Bubbles; it would go round in circles, as usual.
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Ah, Stripey: yes I did miss your point. So you are saying that Shanghai hacked into MyT and obtained your name?
Re Bubbles: yes, let us not discuss it; it doesn’t suit your purpose. Hmm well, fine, I suppose.
I think you missed my point, Stripey. Others blog on MyT in their real names and have you heard that this has led to anything else? If you have, other than intimidation and threats then please let me know.
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Of course others blog under their real names; so what? Just knowing someone’s name doesn’t mean their bank account is at risk. It’s how it’s obtained that’s the issue. If they have the expertise to obtain that information then how far can they go?
In this instance it is possible he has access to emails to and from Kate Day. Now it starts to get interesting.
Just think how much information there is in a Yahoo account waiting to be picked over if a hacker can back-track to it.
Have I heard that knowing someone’s name has ‘led to something else’? No of course not. How would I know? How would they know? But anyone that has my name then has my address. Even I know how to do that.
That’s why I’m so angry. But you wouldn’t understand. You’re a thousand miles from here.
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I understand you are angry, Stripey but you are going round in circles here, and not making much sense to me.
No, I am not a thousand miles from here.
Look, if you want to discuss this further, I suggest you read my post again, read my comments and yours and see if they make sense.
You are saying on the one hand that knowing your real name gives someone access to your bank account and etc, and when I suggest that some people blog in their own name you say it is different.
I am not discounting your concerns but I think you need to make them more understandable if you can.
I am not minded to continue this conversation here but if you do wish to explain further then please feel free to email me at ladyaraminta@googlemail.com
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Stripey is not going around in circles.
I would imagine that Stripey, like most of us, filled in his MyT profile with a pseudonym and an e-mail address which was specifically for use on MyT.
There is no way that anyone can link a pseudonym, an e-mail address and a real name together.
I don’t know how much personal information OSO has given to a member of the MyT team. But, from this it would seem that he has provided someone there with his real name. And that someone has revealed his details to a third party.
However, a thought occurs to me, OSO. You once put up a post about where you lived… it might be possible that someone used that information to track you. I’m not being conceited to say that I could, at the very least, find who lived there (as could you) if I had a mind – which, be assured, I do not!
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Thanks, Boadicea. I was indeed having difficulties trying to work out what Stripey was saying as to how his real name was obtained, and why this would be known to the MyT team.
They certainly don’t know mine, and yes, I have several email accounts which I use just for MyT and other sites.
Yes, regarding your thoughts in your last paragraph. It is certainly not difficult with all the information available on line to pinpoint someone’s location, although I do not remember the post in question, and neither am I interested.
I’m still unclear as to how this translates into possession of bank details and so forth though.
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Nor do I, but then I don’t have the sort of personality that would want to find out such details. However, despite my constant affirmation that I am not paranoid – I’m convinced that there are some pretty odd people out there…
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Boadicea, you hit the nail on the head. Correct, I have posted details of roughly where I live. And that is perfectly safe PROVIDED no one knows my real name. But, once you know that, then you simply take it and my post code, easily worked out with guesswork and the A-Z, a glance at the voter’s role and Bingo!
Araminta I don’t want this hidden in a Google address.
I am not going round in circles; you can’t understand plain English.
a) I did NOT say that knowing my real name gives access to my bank account. Are you deliberately obtuse? I said ‘Just knowing someone’s name DOESN’T mean their bank account is at risk’ The opposite of what you say I said.
b) Then, ‘when I suggest that some people blog in their own name you say it is different.’ No I didn’t, I said that ‘Of course others blog under their real names; so what?’ I was suggesting that if someone can defeat MyT security to the extent they can obtain my name then they can do more. My email is then at risk.
c) Finally, ‘…you wouldn’t understand. You’re a thousand miles from here.’ A figure of speech conveying (for the moderately perceptive) the enormous difference between your neighbourhood and mine. Geddit now? If someone here wants to do me harm, Shanghai has quite deliberately told them where I live!
This game’s over. Fuck with someone else’s mind.
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Thank you for your explanation at last!
Don’t swear at me you miserable Mustelid; mind your manners.
I see your point now, thanks to Boadicea’s translation, I was trying to ascertain the seriousness of the problem.
I give up with you sometimes, Stripey, I don’t have a problem with your airing your problems here but I would appreciate a bit of courtesy.
The reason for giving you my email address was to ask one simple question, which I am not prepared to ask on an open site. Your choice to use it and your choice whether you care to answer the question. I will leave it up to you.
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I didn’t come to air problems, I came for clarification. If you had been less cryptic I wouldn’t have needed to.
You have a soft spot for that lunatic old lag and after what he’d just done to me I felt you were siding with him.
I don’t know why you needed Boadicea’s ‘translation’ (there, see what I mean? – you can’t resist bitchy digs). The original was perfectly clear.
Your constant reference to ‘going in circles’ is another bitchy dig. I’m not stupid, I know what you’re doing.
If you have a question, you know my email.
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Stripey: against my better judgement: this may clarify things for you. I have said it before and I will say it again.
I abhor and totally condemn any form of harassment, cyberstalking, revealing of personal details or addressing people other than by their user names. I do not believe that people should EVER resort to these measures.
I hope this clarifies my position.
With regard to my email address; this is the only way to communicate with me, should you choose to do so. I can no longer access my other email account.
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Your loss
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I doubt it will be the cause of sleepless nights. 🙂
Goodnight to you!
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Wow! I just popped in to say hello ater I had seen your site name “being advertised” by my ex-love.. My WordPress account is nice and civil. You are too patient my dear Araminta.
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Hello Ike: good to see you here. Patience is a virtue, well, so I believe, but I will certainly visit your site.
Well, would you believe that this site started out as a place “for unwanted blog posts”? Agh!
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Thanks Araminta
I am pleased you have your own WordPress Site. It’s a different World altogether [and it is a hard slog to establish yourself on your own] but it is rewarding, very much so.
I do my own thing and it is the Freedom that made me stick it out. In the process I met some wonderful people. Everybody knows the limits of common decency [the bad stuff either gets spammed before it even reaches you] or the “adult” [read filth] go elsewhere where you have to stumble onto it because some of them do try, but then you just delete him anyway. Stalkers [depending how you set your site up] go out the second time. There is no recourse or Kate Day.
But I have not had that at all in two years. It’s a wonderful feeling.
Bless you.
PS: I like your nicer clean layout.
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It’s the 9th of July 2012 and I came across this by accident.
My toes curl with embarrassment. Did I really write that?
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I’m afraid you did write it!
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